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	<title>Comments on: The famous/infamous &#8220;McDonald&#8217;s Coffee Spill Lawsuit&#8221; revisited</title>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorrie  you stated  Would you hand your own grandmother coffee that was that hot? Or a child? No? Than why should a restaurant do it?
It was her grandson that gave her the coffee she was a passanger not the driver so McDonalds did not hand it to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorrie  you stated  Would you hand your own grandmother coffee that was that hot? Or a child? No? Than why should a restaurant do it?<br />
It was her grandson that gave her the coffee she was a passanger not the driver so McDonalds did not hand it to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people really have no sense or compassion.  She was an elderly woman who was horribly injured.  Would you hand your own grandmother coffee that was that hot?  Or a child?  No?  Than why should a restaurant do it?  Serving coffee to a customer that is so hot that is could be disfiguring is irresponsible to the point that restitution must be made.  They knew of other injuries prior to this one that were caused by coffee that was far hotter than is safe for anyone.  McDonalds could have chosen to do the right thing, but decided not to.  There was no excuse for McDonalds thoughtlessness or bad behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people really have no sense or compassion.  She was an elderly woman who was horribly injured.  Would you hand your own grandmother coffee that was that hot?  Or a child?  No?  Than why should a restaurant do it?  Serving coffee to a customer that is so hot that is could be disfiguring is irresponsible to the point that restitution must be made.  They knew of other injuries prior to this one that were caused by coffee that was far hotter than is safe for anyone.  McDonalds could have chosen to do the right thing, but decided not to.  There was no excuse for McDonalds thoughtlessness or bad behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: and Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>and Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t understand why the woman didn&#039;t also sue the driver of her car, her grandson, for not offering to lend her a hand with the coffee?  Makes more sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why the woman didn&#8217;t also sue the driver of her car, her grandson, for not offering to lend her a hand with the coffee?  Makes more sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article, while mostly true, is only telling half the story.

-Yes it is sad that an old woman was injured so badly.  However the point of law isn&#039;t simply award money to pitiable people, but to deter bad behavior.  Let&#039;s look at the objectively, not from the point of view of the pitiable old lady.

-185 degrees F is a base standard for good coffee.  High quality home coffee makers make it at LEAST at this temperature and usually higher.  Also, the most successful restaurants in terms of coffee hand out their coffee at a similar or even higher temperature.  This includes places such as Starbucks, Dunkin&#039; Donuts and, to this day, McDonald&#039;s - the bit about them lowering their temperature is completely false as it is company policy to keep the coffee between around 175-190.  Yes, it is a very hot temperature.  It is also, however, an industry standard which people enjoy.  If they didn&#039;t the market would demand a lesser temperature.

-700 complaints of coffee burns over 10 years is very miniscule.  We are talking numbers around 10 BILLION cups served, at least.  There is a better ratio for being struck by lightning by a pretty hefty margin.  Also keep in mind that these complaints were not all the same as this one.  They ranged in severity and accountability.

-The woman did herself no favors.  She attempted to balance the cup between her legs as she opened the cover, was wearing a fabric which soaked in the coffee and pressed it tight to her skin, and sat burning in a puddle of the stuff for a good 90 seconds.  It takes two to seven seconds to reach third degree burns at 185 degrees, correct?  In the case they were claiming other restaurants they tested typically were around 20 degrees less.  At 165 degrees for 90 seconds, the injuries she suffered would be nearly the same.

-The woman&#039;s medical bills were $11,000.  $20,000 was simply too much, especially considering it was her own negligence and clumsiness which caused the injury.  That was the lowest amount she ever asked for.  The next time she offered a settlement the number had somehow jumped up to $300,000.

-To say the $2.7 was punishment for McDonald&#039;s ignoring other burn cases is simply ignorant.  They had settled with others before, typically when one of their employees was responsible.  Also to claim this number is reasonable blatantly ignores the fact that the judge disagreed or else he wouldn&#039;t have reduced the amount so significantly.

-To say this case prevented further injury is also downright ignorant.  Temperature for good coffee has only raised since then, if anything, and the only things which have changed since the incident is the size of the warning label which, let&#039;s be honest, is completely worthless.  Everyone knows coffee is hot and everyone ignores the warning because they know it.

Now let&#039;s be simple about this.  McDonald&#039;s handled the situation supremely arrogantly and poorly.  This does not make them any more at fault for the situation.  It was the woman&#039;s clumsiness which spilled the coffee and she sat in it long enough in the worst conditions that she would have been severely burned no matter the place she got it from as long as it was fresh.  I can buy a 100 lbs. air conditioner, try carrying up the stairs only to have my pants catch on something and overbalance only to fall and break my back, but do we say it&#039;s the seller&#039;s fault for giving me an air conditioner that was too big?  Would it have even made a difference should it have been half the weight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article, while mostly true, is only telling half the story.</p>
<p>-Yes it is sad that an old woman was injured so badly.  However the point of law isn&#8217;t simply award money to pitiable people, but to deter bad behavior.  Let&#8217;s look at the objectively, not from the point of view of the pitiable old lady.</p>
<p>-185 degrees F is a base standard for good coffee.  High quality home coffee makers make it at LEAST at this temperature and usually higher.  Also, the most successful restaurants in terms of coffee hand out their coffee at a similar or even higher temperature.  This includes places such as Starbucks, Dunkin&#8217; Donuts and, to this day, McDonald&#8217;s &#8211; the bit about them lowering their temperature is completely false as it is company policy to keep the coffee between around 175-190.  Yes, it is a very hot temperature.  It is also, however, an industry standard which people enjoy.  If they didn&#8217;t the market would demand a lesser temperature.</p>
<p>-700 complaints of coffee burns over 10 years is very miniscule.  We are talking numbers around 10 BILLION cups served, at least.  There is a better ratio for being struck by lightning by a pretty hefty margin.  Also keep in mind that these complaints were not all the same as this one.  They ranged in severity and accountability.</p>
<p>-The woman did herself no favors.  She attempted to balance the cup between her legs as she opened the cover, was wearing a fabric which soaked in the coffee and pressed it tight to her skin, and sat burning in a puddle of the stuff for a good 90 seconds.  It takes two to seven seconds to reach third degree burns at 185 degrees, correct?  In the case they were claiming other restaurants they tested typically were around 20 degrees less.  At 165 degrees for 90 seconds, the injuries she suffered would be nearly the same.</p>
<p>-The woman&#8217;s medical bills were $11,000.  $20,000 was simply too much, especially considering it was her own negligence and clumsiness which caused the injury.  That was the lowest amount she ever asked for.  The next time she offered a settlement the number had somehow jumped up to $300,000.</p>
<p>-To say the $2.7 was punishment for McDonald&#8217;s ignoring other burn cases is simply ignorant.  They had settled with others before, typically when one of their employees was responsible.  Also to claim this number is reasonable blatantly ignores the fact that the judge disagreed or else he wouldn&#8217;t have reduced the amount so significantly.</p>
<p>-To say this case prevented further injury is also downright ignorant.  Temperature for good coffee has only raised since then, if anything, and the only things which have changed since the incident is the size of the warning label which, let&#8217;s be honest, is completely worthless.  Everyone knows coffee is hot and everyone ignores the warning because they know it.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s be simple about this.  McDonald&#8217;s handled the situation supremely arrogantly and poorly.  This does not make them any more at fault for the situation.  It was the woman&#8217;s clumsiness which spilled the coffee and she sat in it long enough in the worst conditions that she would have been severely burned no matter the place she got it from as long as it was fresh.  I can buy a 100 lbs. air conditioner, try carrying up the stairs only to have my pants catch on something and overbalance only to fall and break my back, but do we say it&#8217;s the seller&#8217;s fault for giving me an air conditioner that was too big?  Would it have even made a difference should it have been half the weight?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL... you forgot to add the part where she sat in the scalding coffee for 90 seconds!!!  I would be more understanding if it had been an instant one or two seconds of exposure kind of thing.  But 90 seconds?!

Other than that, millions of customers now get cold coffee because ONE PERSON can&#039;t figure out how to add cream and sugar without dumping the entire contents in their groin.  Makes me wonder how she survived to 79.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230; you forgot to add the part where she sat in the scalding coffee for 90 seconds!!!  I would be more understanding if it had been an instant one or two seconds of exposure kind of thing.  But 90 seconds?!</p>
<p>Other than that, millions of customers now get cold coffee because ONE PERSON can&#8217;t figure out how to add cream and sugar without dumping the entire contents in their groin.  Makes me wonder how she survived to 79.</p>
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		<title>By: kram</title>
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		<dc:creator>kram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is illustrative of our society; we are all victims and someone should pay.  This lack of any responsibility being placed upon individuals is the same problem with why physicians practice defensive medicine.  If any rare event occurs even though commonly practiced and accepted standards are followed, someone with money should pay and that will bring justice (lets see if the lawyers will accept just a sincere apology and covering the actual expenses for a settlement).  Its the best illustration of how our US society is going down the tubes as life should be perfectly orchestrated and if you sneeze in my presence and I get a cold you will pay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is illustrative of our society; we are all victims and someone should pay.  This lack of any responsibility being placed upon individuals is the same problem with why physicians practice defensive medicine.  If any rare event occurs even though commonly practiced and accepted standards are followed, someone with money should pay and that will bring justice (lets see if the lawyers will accept just a sincere apology and covering the actual expenses for a settlement).  Its the best illustration of how our US society is going down the tubes as life should be perfectly orchestrated and if you sneeze in my presence and I get a cold you will pay!</p>
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		<title>By: Really??</title>
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		<dc:creator>Really??</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always thought that this case got TOO MUCH attention and that the plaintiff got TOO MUCH money for this.  Granted when someone is hurt because of something in your company it it not a great idea to be arrogant and insensitive about it.  BUT if you order something COOKED (Pamela) or HEATED it would be safe to assume that you should assume IT IS HOT!!  I feel so sorry that the lady was burmed and that sustained all of the injuries that she did BUT she ordered HOT BREWED COFFEE not Ice coffee!  If no one in the establishment did something to cause that coffee to fall on to her skin then it was her fault and unfortunately she should have been liable for her own injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always thought that this case got TOO MUCH attention and that the plaintiff got TOO MUCH money for this.  Granted when someone is hurt because of something in your company it it not a great idea to be arrogant and insensitive about it.  BUT if you order something COOKED (Pamela) or HEATED it would be safe to assume that you should assume IT IS HOT!!  I feel so sorry that the lady was burmed and that sustained all of the injuries that she did BUT she ordered HOT BREWED COFFEE not Ice coffee!  If no one in the establishment did something to cause that coffee to fall on to her skin then it was her fault and unfortunately she should have been liable for her own injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pamela..You are  joking right? I&#039;ve eaten a lot of fish sandwiches from McD&#039;s and some of them have been hotter than others. but common sense made me check the food before taking a huge bite.

Looks to me like you are looking for a little bit of cash. Common sense seems to have left the building.

this case is a fiasco no matter how you look at it. It&#039;s just people being too lazy to take responsibility for their actions and trying to blame someone else for their mistakes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pamela..You are  joking right? I&#8217;ve eaten a lot of fish sandwiches from McD&#8217;s and some of them have been hotter than others. but common sense made me check the food before taking a huge bite.</p>
<p>Looks to me like you are looking for a little bit of cash. Common sense seems to have left the building.</p>
<p>this case is a fiasco no matter how you look at it. It&#8217;s just people being too lazy to take responsibility for their actions and trying to blame someone else for their mistakes</p>
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		<title>By: Nate C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you should be forced to sign a waver every day before you leave your house...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you should be forced to sign a waver every day before you leave your house&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pamela</title>
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		<dc:creator>pamela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i, for one, used to feel like the lawsuit was frivolous. until 3 days ago. i went to mcdonalds and ordered a filet of fish. i order them a lot. i have never had a problem with mcdonalds food until now. i got the sandwich and drove across the parking lot to pick up a friend after work. while waiting outside...in bitter cold weather, i bit into the filet of fish. i received burns on my tongue when the scalding liquids in the fish washed over my tongue.  the bun did not feel hot and i had never had this happen before. i assumed the sandwich was ok to eat. the pain in my tongue has yet to subside. i made a report with mcdonalds because i want them to be aware of the danger of scalding from the sandwich if it is eaten too soon after coming from the cooker. the package should have a caution  hot food label. so i know how the lady felt. any lawyers want my case? because of the way the mcdonalds acted when i filed a report, i would definately sue them. they told me in no uncertain terms, oh well, we are sorry for your pain but it is our goal to serve HOT fresh food. we will send you some coupons for the trouble you went through. assholes. what if a you child gets burned? this really ticked me off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i, for one, used to feel like the lawsuit was frivolous. until 3 days ago. i went to mcdonalds and ordered a filet of fish. i order them a lot. i have never had a problem with mcdonalds food until now. i got the sandwich and drove across the parking lot to pick up a friend after work. while waiting outside&#8230;in bitter cold weather, i bit into the filet of fish. i received burns on my tongue when the scalding liquids in the fish washed over my tongue.  the bun did not feel hot and i had never had this happen before. i assumed the sandwich was ok to eat. the pain in my tongue has yet to subside. i made a report with mcdonalds because i want them to be aware of the danger of scalding from the sandwich if it is eaten too soon after coming from the cooker. the package should have a caution  hot food label. so i know how the lady felt. any lawyers want my case? because of the way the mcdonalds acted when i filed a report, i would definately sue them. they told me in no uncertain terms, oh well, we are sorry for your pain but it is our goal to serve HOT fresh food. we will send you some coupons for the trouble you went through. assholes. what if a you child gets burned? this really ticked me off.</p>
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